For those who wish to review Part 1 of The Personal Identity (January 23, 2009), go to www.YourSpiritualJourney.net .
In this message, I will include some reader comments that I received on this topic. Most of those who responded had some previous experience in which they came to question the idea of a personal identity.
I am not surprised that I didn’t get a lot of emails in response to Part 1. This is a topic that many people feel is irrelevant, or just plain crazy. Questioning the personal identity is a frightening exercise for the mind, which has no interest in being “written out of the script.” After all, if the personal identity doesn’t exist, then who or what am I? The mind finds it much safer to avoid this discussion.
In this issue of the newsletter, I’ll include some of the subscriber comments. In the next issue, I’ll offer some additional thoughts of my own on this topic.
I invite you to keep an open mind on this subject. Feel free to offer your comments, whether you agree or disagree with anything I and others have said — or if you think this topic is nonsense. ALL comments are welcome, and I feel that everyone can benefit by being exposed to numerous perspectives.
– Jeff Keller
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Subscriber Comments:
When we are adults, we think that we are a personal identity. Let’s go backwards in time and imagine we are a very young child. We did not have a job or a car, and we didn’t want to be alone. We wanted to be together with our mother and/or father. We had a name but “me” and “you” didn’t really exist in our mind. There was just we.
If you still think we are a personal identity, let’s take a journey further back in time. When we go back even further, we experience ourselves as an embryo in our mothers’ womb - we feel very connected with our mother and are not a separate identity anymore. We are still in the body of someone else, of our mother. Something was forming our body. Our body was very tiny - where is the identity? When we go back even further, we came into existence when a sperm cell and an egg-cell connected. So, where is the personal identity? Where are we? Then we look into the cell and somewhere find the atom and deeper we just find energy or a field of connected particles. So where is the identity and where are we?
Now we can see that a personal identity was formed, but that we ARE NOT a personal identity. There’s a difference. It’s not about giving up all we have, but just to realize that we HAVE it and not that we BE it.
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My understanding is that we indeed have a personal identity that is the personality, aka, the spirit and as you said, is simply energy that permeates and surrounds us. However, it’s the soul, the higher self, that is one with all. As the soul reincarnates, it chooses a spirit/personality in which it will experience physical life within a body for the purpose of its own evolvement. At the time of the physical body’s death, the soul transcends, releasing the spirit to live on for an eternity. As the soul, the light of God, decides to evolve and experience physical life once again for the purpose of its evolvement, it chooses a new spirit/personality to reincarnate with.
Looking forward to hearing other perspectives. Thanks for helping people to lift their thoughts to more than deciding which TV show to watch or what to have for dinner!
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Great topic today. I so much enjoy your “digging” around to try to stir up our thought lives.
My personal belief is that each of our “spirits” or energies are intertwined with all other spirits and energies in the universe. I believe there to be a Unity so great that any of us on their road of discovery has merely scratched the surface into its true depth. As far as not wanting to “rock the boat”, I am a known boat tipper. I believe the words of Og Mandino : “Opportunity exists in your own back yard” and I will tip and rock all I have to in order to discover them!
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A most excellent commentary and questioning. This is the crux of the matter! I started down this path of investigation myself when I attended a weekend workshop in 2007 with Arjuna Ardargh, author of The Translucent Revolution and Awakening Into Oneness. He had the group of about 45 of us sit one-on-one with a partner and ask the other person “Who or what is Sandra” for example, over and over again until we had really gone through a deep questioning of the immediate thoughts that arose in response and felt that we had come to a more deeply felt truth or experience of what the answer was.
What was amazing is that so many of the people there had the revelation that this “thing”, this “person”, that we believed was who we were was not even really “there”! The common theme of what we had discovered is that we are that proverbial “no-thing”, yet we also are everything…all at the same time. What a profound shift in understanding and perspective! My life has never been the same since.
For me, one of the more immediate benefits to this realization is the ability to go inside and on a physical level get in touch with this “nothingness and everythingness” that I am when I am stressing or judging, or being in fear or negativity. It definitely helps to dissipate some of these thoughts and feelings. It has also helped to make me much less attached to things. And funnily, I also feel LESS (in a good way - I am less dense and lighter as I move through this life knowing that I am not this “heavy” load of concepts and constructs that I have to carry around & stay slave to) but also am in touch with a sense that I am MORE (in a good way - I feel the power and significance of my absolute Being as I know that I am truly a part of everything in this amazing Cosmos).
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Who am I? Most of the time I think I am a human being, separate, independent, autonomous, and unique - who thinks he is on a spiritual journey. But the truth is that I am a spiritual being having a human experience and my journey is really about remembering who I truly am. It’s a journey without distance, a journey that takes place entirely within the mind.
As a human being, I think I am the author of my own identity. I’m a work in progress, changing as I pass through the various stages of life and as I assume different roles. I evaluate my progress according to many different measures and expectations. My life is a series of challenges and obstacles. It is a drama interspersed with moments of love and joy and pain and suffering but inevitably ends in certain death.
On the other hand, as a spiritual being, I am not my own author. Rather I was created in the likeness of a much greater Author, Who is pure Spirit, all-encompassing Love and eternal Life. He created me as part of Him, not separate or apart, but one with Him and all Creation. Once again, my journey is about the reawakening of the knowledge of who I have always been, reuniting with my Father and all creation in eternity.
Borrowing from Shakespeare: “O, what fools we mortals be!”
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The more I move from one experience/life situation to another on my journey in this world the more I see the oneness of us all. We mostly have the same good and bad characteristics. I know we commit the same sins excluding the extremes. I’m always discovering how much I have in common with people with regards to thoughts, feelings, experiences, struggles, victories and the overall peaks and valleys of life. No, we are not separate. We are one. We are connected. We are candles (the lights of the world) that have to share our Spiritual and Material Blessings with our fellow brother and sister. It is only when we see the God in each other that we find out what our true essence is.
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It is very interesting that the current book I am reading deals with these matters and I would recommend to any of the readers of your newsletter that if they indeed want information on personal identity research but would rather read an in-depth investigation already done for them, to get this book. The book is entitled “The God Theory by Bernard Haisch. Mr. Haisch is an astrophysicist who differs in belief with most of his scientific brothers about who are we and why are we. His belief in Intelligent Design from the viewpoint of a scientist puts him at odds with most of the scientific community that believes that humans are just a bunch of chemical and neurological interactions of the brain. And much research data is presented to substantiate the scientific point of view.
So to read him defend the Intelligent Design point of view against this overwhelming data presented has been fascinating.
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I am in the course of writing a book on this topic, the self and the personal identity/mask. In this book I write about some experiences of my own life that I became conscious of. Those experiences showed me that I’m not a personality. So I’d like to share one of those experiences with you and others.
I was sitting at my desk and was thinking some thoughts. Suddenly, from one moment to another, I realized that something had changed. I still saw my body through my eyes, but at the same time the “I” also took another perspective. The other perspective that the “I” took was observing my breathing and I realized that I didn’t breathe. The breathing was automatic, without any use of the will. So, in these moments I observed my breathing which ran automatically AND additionally I admired what took place before my eyes and in consciousness.
It was kind of a split, at the same time the “I” took two different perspectives. So, this was my first experience that showed me that “I” am not my body, not my limited mind, and not my personality.
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